tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9064620895201949254.post8493843012769828066..comments2023-09-01T03:31:56.296-04:00Comments on Pastor Thoughts: The RaptureMike Yarbroughhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11171113916381733201noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9064620895201949254.post-13500022013792683002010-04-12T14:41:28.265-04:002010-04-12T14:41:28.265-04:00Irv...read MacPhearson and can't say as I can ...Irv...read MacPhearson and can't say as I can agree with what he has written any more than you can agree with any number of Pre-Trib authors...Where do I find the rapture? In the Bible, certainly not in Margaret MacDonald who actually did not claim a Pre-trib Rapture, but rather talked about Christians at the hands of the ant-Christ in a firey confrontation...Mike Yarbroughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171113916381733201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9064620895201949254.post-32744590434433965952009-06-09T19:06:37.488-04:002009-06-09T19:06:37.488-04:00"TRIBULATION INDEX" becomes "RAPTUR..."TRIBULATION INDEX" becomes "RAPTURE INDEX"<br /><br /> For 18 centuries all organized churches and all official Christian theology embraced the "Tribulation Index" (that is, the essence of it without using the label). In recent years a Nebraska "rustler" has been changing it into the "Rapture Index." For more info Google "The Rapture Index (Mad Theology)" and "Open Letter to Todd Strandberg." For some background on "rapture rustling" read "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" on the "Powered by Christ Ministries" site. But, pardner, you'd better take some tranquilizers before you lasso any of the above items!Irvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07634792243846422285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9064620895201949254.post-24797018392902915942009-02-02T14:41:00.000-05:002009-02-02T14:41:00.000-05:00Thanks for your comments Irv...I guess if you don'...Thanks for your comments Irv...I guess if you don't believe in the rapture, then you know what to do with Matthew 24;36 and matthew 25:13? the former says that no one knows the day nor the hour...let me get this straight: If I know when the tribulation period starts (Daniel 9:27) then I can simple add the days and see when the mid-point will be and then the end-point will be...simple calculations...the later says that we are to watch for we know not the hour or the day...it could be at any moment...so whether or not you think that pre-trib thought began in 1830 makes no difference for it began much earlier than that...it began in the mind of God and He shared that with us in His Word!!!Mike Yarbroughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171113916381733201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9064620895201949254.post-31693625046846532402009-01-28T12:41:00.000-05:002009-01-28T12:41:00.000-05:00(Seen this new message? Irv)CHUCK MISSLER - COP...(Seen this new message? Irv)<BR/><BR/>CHUCK MISSLER - COPYIST !<BR/><BR/>Many these days are abandoning the pretribulation rapture view, and the June, 1995 article by Chuck Missler (”Byzantine Text Discovery: Ephraem the Syrian”) reveals why there is such a mutiny! First of all, the authoritative scholar that Missler cited, Dr. Paul Alexander, referred only to “Pseudo-Ephraem” and not to Ephraem the Syrian. (If an unsigned ancient manuscript resembles the real Ephraem but there is a question of authorship, they assign it to “Pseudo-Ephraem” - the word “pseudo” meaning “possibly.” For some groundless reason, Grant Jeffrey, the one who reportedly found the “discovery,” changed Dr. Alexander’s terminology! For more info on Jeffrey, Google “Wily Jeffrey.”) And Missler’s scholarship is also questionable. According to the Los Angeles Times (July 30, 1992), about one-fourth of Missler’s 1992 book “The Magog Factor” (which he co-authored with Hal Lindsey) was a daring plagiarism of Dr. Edwin Yamauchi’s 1982 book “Foes from the Northern Frontier”! Four months later Yamauchi’s publisher revealed that both Lindsey and Missler had promised to stop all publishing of their book. But in 1995 they were found publishing “The Magog Invasion” (which was either a revision or a replacement of “The Magog Factor”) - which had a substantial amount of the same plagiarism! (Dave MacPherson’s 1998 book “The Three R’s” has complete documentation on this and other pretrib scandals.) After listing “1820″ as the reported date of the birth of pretrib (he should have said “1830″), Missler sees a pretrib rapture in that Medieval writer’s phrase “taken to the Lord” and, since he evidently favors rewriting others instead of researching, is unaware that Dr. Alexander explained that this phrase really means “participate at least in some measure in beatitude” - which has reference only to doing acts of virtue on earth and not being raptured away from earth! Alexander added that the same ancient writer held to only one final second coming (and not to any prior coming) which would follow the time of Antichrist! (Readers can Google “Deceiving and Being Deceived” by MacPherson to see how groundless the Pseudo-Ephraem claim is and to learn how desperate pretribs are to find any pre-1830 evidence for their escapist view. Dr. Robert Gundry of Westmont College has also demolished the Pseudo-Ephraem claim in his 1997 book “First the Antichrist.”) Since Missler also leans on Thomas Ice, readers can evaluate Ice’s qualifications by Googling “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Thomas Ice (Hired Gun),” and “Pretrib Rapture Diehards” (the latter part). For further light on the 179-year-old, fringe-British-invented pretribulation theory, Google or Yahoo “Pretrib Rapture - Hidden Facts.” Finally - why would anyone who has the brains of a rocket scientist want to be taken up with the concept of an any-moment pretrib rapture? The answer may well be that there’s more money in elevating a rapture than launching a rocket!Irvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07634792243846422285noreply@blogger.com